Uchiha Madara glanced at the machine in Obito's hand and said indifferently, "This little gadget is your way of realizing peace?"
Obito said calmly, "Yeah, it's not simple."
"It can convert chakra into various types of energy like wind, fire, lightning, and so on, bringing great convenience to humanity."
Madara pondered for a moment, then a trace of mockery appeared on his face, "I probably understand what you mean. The Sage of Six Paths did similar things, but what was the result?"
"The Shinobi Sect that tried to use chakra to benefit humanity became ninjas who only knew how to kill."
"The distance between people didn't get closer. Instead, it became even wider."
"The emergence of ninjas, in a sense, made numbers lose their advantage."
"Rulers exploited even more unscrupulously, because ordinary civilians didn't even have the possibility of uniting to resist anymore."
Obito said, "Madara, I don't deny what you said."
"But the way the Shinobi Sect used chakra was wrong to begin with. You still don't understand. The Shinobi Sect only wanted to use chakra to connect people and achieve mutual understanding, but they ignored the true function of chakra."
"Chakra is actually a very cheap resource, because in theory, everyone in the ninja world can extract this power through their body and spirit."
Obito's breathing became rapid, "Madara, do you know what that means?"
"In my past life, I traveled across the entire ninja world and discovered that the fuse for large-scale wars was the unequal distribution of resources."
"Some places have extremely harsh living environments, and for ordinary people, just eating enough and staying warm is a luxury."
"So the people from those places, from top to bottom, are full of desire for war. They all hope to seize resources through war."
"But if we use the cheap advantage of chakra to transport large amounts of resources to these places, humanity's most basic needs for survival and safety would be satisfied, and they would no longer have a strong desire to start wars."
Madara, however, shook his head and said, "Obito, you're oversimplifying things."
"Human desire is endless. Once they get enough resources, they will want more." [T/N: I think, with enough resources, they will start to reproduce]
"They will still keep asking for more, triggering a new round of wars."
"That's why I think Infinite Tsukuyomi is perfect. It perfectly satisfies everyone's endless desires and also prevents the outbreak of war."
Obito glanced at Madara. It seemed that unless he had really thought through a lot of things, it would be hard to convince Madara.
On the contrary, if he wasn't careful, he might even be convinced by Madara instead.
He slowly said: "Madara, human desire is endless, that's true. But you seem to have forgotten, a person doesn't have only one type of desire. Desires may not disappear, but they can be offset by another kind of desire, reaching a certain degree of balance."
Madara was stunned. This was the first time he had heard such a view from Obito, and he suddenly became very interested.
"Be more specific."
Obito smiled: "Madara, didn't you say I was gradually being assimilated by Konoha? Later, I thought about this problem."
"To be honest, when I was first reborn, I actually had a strong impulse to change everything."
"But gradually, up to now, I even started to feel satisfied. I even had a thought that it would be fine to just maintain the current situation."
"Do you know why?"
Madara snorted coldly, "Because that little girl named Rin didn't die, right? Did you even think about how many kids you'd have together in the future?"
"Obito, you're becoming weak."
Obito coughed heavily a few times, "Madara, I'm not that kind of person, don't talk nonsense!"
But then, he became serious, "After being reborn, I've been reflecting on one question: why was there such a big shift in my mindset between the past me and the present me?"
"Recently, I figured it out."
"Actually, people are selfish. Everyone wants to gain something from this world. If that idea shatters, they become like you and me used to be."
"Completely disappointed in the world, wanting to change it, to create a better future."
Madara suddenly became angry, "So this life, you really did gain something from this world, and you're no longer disappointed in it? You don't even want to change it anymore?"
"You coward!"
Obito saw that Madara was about to emotionally break down again and couldn't help but want to laugh.
He knew exactly what Madara was thinking.
He said bluntly, "That's right. Because I really did gain some good things. Compared to gaining more, I'm more afraid of losing."
"It's just like how you and Hashirama founded the Hidden Leaf Village. Compared to expanding results, Hashirama was more afraid of destroying the peace and tranquility of the village. That emotion gradually took the upper hand and even overshadowed the bond between you and him."
Madara shouted, "Shut up! The current situation already tells us that Hashirama's thinking was wrong!"
"If back then, he had been willing to join forces with me and unify all places like Konoha, the ninja world wouldn't have exploded into so many wars!"
Obito comforted, "Madara, don't be so hasty. I'm not saying Hashirama's thinking was right. I'm just analyzing a certain aspect of human nature with you."
"This human nature is that while human desire is indeed endless, the desire to gain is one kind of desire, and the fear of losing is also a kind of desire. These two desires can actually balance each other and cancel each other out."
Obito pointed to the surrounding environment, "Just like Konoha. Konoha occupies the most fertile land, and people have already gained enough. So compared to gaining more, people are more eager to maintain the current situation."
"That's why, in just a few decades, although three great wars have broken out in the ninja world, Konoha has never been the initiator."
"Most people in Konoha, from top to bottom, lack enthusiasm for war."
"It seems like they've all been assimilated by Hashirama's ideology. But what really assimilated them, was it Hashirama's ideology, or the fact that you guys conquered the most fertile land in the ninja world with powerful force back then?"
Madara began to tremble all over, involuntarily clenching his fists so hard that his fingernails pierced his palms.
He desperately tried to think, trying to find a flaw. Then, he remembered someone, "That guy who guarded Tobirama, his name was Danzo, right? He didn't think that way."
Obito said, "I don't deny that Danzo was an ambitious schemer, but first, people like Danzo are the minority."
"Second, Danzo was once only a step away from the Hokage's seat. At his core, he was the same as you and me in the past. Wanting to gain, but ultimately losing."
"But suppose Danzo had the chance to start over like I did, and he actually sat in that seat. Would he really still be like how he is now?"
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