Lud found himself talking to Kuo in a similar way as in his dream, and this time the conversation was not about the reason why Lud was asked to meet Kuo, but rather what Lud had to do exactly.
Lud says to Kuo, who is barely holding in screaming because he is suffering. "I have come to understand that I have to kill Samael somehow, but how do I do that?"
Kuo rambles "He asks how? How?! I want to know myself! Know how to end this fucking suffering that I have every waking moment! I…"
Then Kuo's head drops for a moment as if he had become limp. After a moment, he says calmly "I do not know anything further than that. I… I apologize for not being able to help. But how did you find out that the reverse dreamer needs to die?"
Lud says "I saw you explain it in a dream I had that looked similar to the conversation we are now having. But still, do you have no leads to give me?"
